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He can no longer drive, because he was making poor choices, and he reflexes are slow. The other day, He wanted to go to lunch, but I had not been feeling well. He said he would go pick up some lunch. He kept asking why not? I showed him a letter from the neurologist which states that he cannot drive because he has Cognitive Decline. He then wanted to know what that was, and how did they know. I showed Jim reports from his neurologist and a second opinion, both concluding that he has decline and possibly some sort of dementia. The reports both indicated that I had given my observations to the doctors. So, now he is blaming me for telling the doctors that something is wrong with him just so I can control him. I don’t know how to deal with this. The other day he found my hidden keys. I found out when I tried to drive and realized I didn’t have them in my purse. With a smirk on his face, he gave up my keys. Thankfully, he did not try to drive.

You need to spend time educating yourself on dementia. The Alzheimer’s association website has much information, useful even if your husband is not diagnosed with that specific type of dementia. Your husband has lost the ability to make sound judgements and have good reasoning skills. Please don’t continue to discuss his decline with him, he simply cannot and will not see it. This is only going to frustrate you both. Hide the keys better, or consider if even having the car there is worth it, though it’s understandable for you to want it for yourself. A simple “doctor’s orders” without further discussion for him not driving, or better yet, “I’m happy to take you” will need to suffice. This will likely be a long road of decline, I encourage you to learn all you can and be preparing for a day you cannot do it all on your own anymore. I wish you both peace
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Ihave4dogs Dec 3, 2024
All they want is money! They have no real hope or help for anyone!
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There is no arguing with dementia.
You cannot win. Keep the letter copy handy and keep handing it to him with a brief "I am so sorry this happened to you". When he says "YOU did it" just say "Do you think so?" Then I apologize.
Divert.
Deflect.
NEVER argue or defend.
Watch all the Teepa Snow you are able to access (still I think on youtube free).

When you cannot live with this then hubby must be placed. This won't stop. He will become more angry. And it is common to the disease, a hallmark of the disease, not unusual for the disease.

I understand, and sympathize more than I can say, with your frustration. But your husband has a condition that isn't going to change and which hasn't a cure and which will worsen. Not everything, sadly, can be fixed. I am so very sorry.
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RedVanAnnie Dec 3, 2024
You have such wise and sane answers and advice for so many of these situations. Your comments are a voice of reason and a pleasure to read.
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Keep blaming it on the doctor .
Just keep repeating “ the doctor said you can’t drive “. Don’t mention cognitive decline or dementia . They get angry .

Hide the keys better . Park the car out of sight if possible .

It’s awful . He will never understand .
My ( late )mother , ( late ) father in law , and now my sister with dementia were the same . Even if they were aware early on of problems , as it progresses, they often reach a point that they no longer are aware , and insist there is nothing wrong and blame the people closest to them . I sympathize with you .
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He sounds like he’s still all there.
forget it now
you can’t change wots been said
personally I wouldn’t have shown him any report and def not mentioned words like dementia
they battle down the hatches n go into denial
If it comes up again- you’ve already discussed it and you can’t hide health issues - and walk away
he sounds like he likes mental games
( playing taking the keys) protect your mental health-
the subject needs to be closed down - do it whatever way is comfortable to you - if he’s mentally faster at playing. Games/ then walk out of the room and get busy doing something else. He’ll soon get bored with the no reaction approach
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Not being able to understand that they have cognitive decline or dementia is a feature of dementia called anosognosia. don’t try to explain in detail as it will lead nowhere. Blame it on the doctor as much as possible. Tell him he will need to convince the doctor (not you) that he is fit to drive.

There may be meds that will help him be less agitated and confront you less. I would ask his neurologist about it and also keep a log (hidden) because it’s quite common for this combative attitude to escalate.

You don’t mention finances but this is another area where I urge you to start taking control and oversight. If he pays bills, manages the retirement accounts, files taxes — gives to charity— these are all things that he could also start messing up BADLY. Beware! I speak from experience. If he does and you confront him, he is very likely not to see it for the same reason — anosognosia. They literally cannot perceive, understand, or take in that anything is different or wrong. So of course it makes them mad when they are told no, they can’t do xyz.

Good luck!
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Ihave4dogs Dec 3, 2024
I've done that and he lied to the doctors saying he would not drive the whole time he was driving even to that appointment! Believe me no one knows how hard it is to live with these people! They do not want direction but if they make a mistake they blame it on you! I pull over when he starts in the car and I have put him out of the car until he behaves or I refuse to take him somewhere until he admits what he has done! He is like living with a 75 year old toddler! He kicks, stomps on my feet, refuses to answer and says No and stomps his feet! He has a switch he can throw when someone is around him! I was told he gets very animated! His head is held high, he laughs and his ugly, black skinned hands are waving in the air! I call it the Trump act! Nobody is going to think he is mental! He tries to convince everyone he is normal and I'm not right! He has convinced many until they too found out he lied to them! His actions have made me so sick and I have asked for help and have gotten nothing! Lawyers won't even help because they find out there is no big money left! I have to fight for myself as much as I can! I know he is waiting to do something to try to get rid of me permanently! I was in the hospital for several days and he was not upset. My neighbor said it was upsetting to her that he never said a thing to anyone! 55 years and I just don't matter to him!
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I hate to say this, but I would say to myself, what's the worst that may happen if he does drive? After looking at all the issues on this site, that may comfort you in some way - things work out the way they're meant to, I think. My husband just passed away after cognitive decline, progressing to metabolic problems, extreme weakness, hospitalization, intubation and tracheostomy from pneumonia and respiratory failure from which he never recovered.
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AlvaDeer Dec 3, 2024
I think the worst that could happen would be his killing or permanently injuring someone. When my brother was diagnosed with early Lewy's it was AFTER his truck accident and DUE TO it. He went to hospital after slamming his head on windshield and side window. His scans showed worriesome problems and he was given neuro-psyc eval. He had lain in the arms of neighbor muttering "I KNEW something was wrong". Happily he messed up one small palm tree and one large refuse container, not a human being who typically sat on a bench daily by that palm.
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Did your husband's doctor recommend any medication to slow the progression? Your husband is a danger to himself and others if he drives again. Please realize that your husband's cognitive issues will get worse. Please think about planning for his future care.
My mom blamed me. She also did not believe she has Dementia. It is common.
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You will not be able to make your husband understand anything beyond his own perception of how things are. Doctors' reports will be meaningless to him--don't even bother. You can say "It's not safe for you to drive," but don't try to explain why. That will probablymake him angry, but don't argue aboutit. That's just the way it is.
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Ihave4dogs Dec 3, 2024
I gave my husband $10.00 to go into The Dollar Store to get 3 items. He came out with the three items which was a miracle! As I was driving home I asked how much they cost and he said $10.00! I pulled over and said show me the receipt! He got mad and like a toddler said No! He gave me the receipt and it said $3.99! I asked if he got change and he said I don't know! I reminded him again that he like it or not is not to be trusted with money since he had us $72,000 in debt! He lies about everything and says what I say is a lie! I told him I'm in charge and he better stop the lying! He has been caught lying by his doctors! I am now going to have to find him a new set of doctors because they simply don't care!
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Your lucky! My husband kept on saying he was fine to drive! He even convinced his Neurologist that he was only driving local short runs! He lied 100% on his study and I called the doctor and his answer was he only records what the patient says! He totaled my car on 12/22/24! I only got $16,000 for car car that would cost me $24,000 to replace! He still acts like he did nothing! We got sued because he pulled in front of a car! His psychiatrist, counselor and Geriatric doctors have disappeared because of his lying! My daughter insisted I go to his visits with him because of his lying! His Geriatric doctor said he should not drive but his Neurolist said he was ok to drive! I was in the middle! I was with him 99% of the time and before his accident he wasn't listening to me and would do the opposite that I told him! My daughter insisted that I go with him to his appointments because he lies about everything! He always repeats the question before he gives an answer! I wind up giving the correct answer! His Geriatric doctor said the very first visit that he needed to be away from me! I said we did not have any money because he got us into $72,000 debt! After I called him about his driving he said that would be the last time he would talk to me since I was advised to put him somewhere! I never went in again with him but I did write a note to the doctor that he wasn't taking his meds and he was still driving! In the doctor's notes he wrote that I said he was driving and not taking his meds and he said it was a lie and he didn't know who to believe! I wrote a comment back since he totaled my car I guess you should have listened to me! Now I have to find him a new doctor! One that will help me not hinder me!
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They cannot be convinced. My cousin spotted that my aunt had dementia.
We took her to the doctor, showed the doctor pictures of the condition of the house. He asked her to repeat three simple words. She couldn't remember the words, nor draw a clock of the time he asked her.
In a few weeks, the doctor had her driver's license revolked. That's as far as we were able to get.
While staying with her for a few days, all aunt did was blame my cousin for causing this. Spreading "rumors " that she has dementia. She was blaming cousin for spotting it. We couldn't reason with her. All night and into the morning, she would be calling my cousin's name, angrily, saying she caused this mess, and she was going to get her. It didn't matter that we tried to tell her it wasn't anyone who caused this. It was sad.
I think she may have come around, since she has to depend on her heavily now. Maybe not. It all sounds so familiar and I am sorry you're going through this.
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There's no reasoning or explaining with dementia. Trying to explain to your husband why he won't be driving anymore is like trying to reason with a toddler who wants candy for dinner.

You just don't let him drive anymore. If this means you have to keep your car keys in a safe with a combination lock, do it. You can't keep your keys in your purse anymore because he goes in your purse. Keep your purse locked up or start using a fanny-pack that you can comfortably wear all day long.

If the blaming and verbal abuse towards you increases, you should have him put into LTC. Many times the person with dementia is still physically fit, has no mobility issues, and is still strong. This can be dangerous if they are verbally abusive to their spouse or adult child they live with because that abuse usually graduates to physical abuse. You may be putting yourself at risk.

Start exploring some LTC options before your husband's dementia advances even more.
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Brace yourself, this stage may last for awhile and you will continue to be the witch that took away his keys just because of your sick need to control his life. In his mind he is completely capable of doing everything he did 5 years ago and he will continue to rail against the injustice of it all every time he thinks of it. Get used to being the bad guy because it will last until his dementia progresses to the point that he no longer remembers he once drove a car.

6 months after my DH backed into the side of a garbage truck and insisted the truck ‘sided’ into him, he still brings it up to everyone who visits. “Tell her what happened to my car” he said once again yesterday, in an accusatory tone, when an old friend of ours was visiting. He is now incapable of stringing together the words of his false story himself so is continually asking me to tell my ‘version’ so he can rebut it to others. He’s still really good at rebuttal and denial.

So now life is a series of subject changes and deflections. I assume they will get fewer and further between as my DH’s dementia progresses. It feels ugly and deceptive at first but after a while it is just sad. My hope for you (and for myself) is that time will make this conflict less necessary. I’m sorry - this behavior really hacks away at your relationship, doesn’t it?
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You may need to keep the keys in your pocket to ensure he can't access them. You of course don't tell him this.

It would help you a lot to learn more about how dementia affects our LOs so that you don't waste your time and energy trying to reason with someone who has lost this ability, and also probably their short-term memory. I learned a lot from Teepa Snow (see YouTube) on strategies that at his stage will help allow for more peaceful and productive interactions with him.

You should stop showing him paperwork about his dementia diagnosis as this upsets a person who is no longer able to process and come to peace with this dramatic loss in their lives. Instead use therapeutic fibs, blame it on the tests his doctor gave him. Then change the subject or distract him or walk away. If he insists on going back to the doctor tell him he has to wait for 6 months before he can be rechecked. Get creative and figure out what narrative will stop him from nagging you about it. I'm sorry, this is just how it's going to be for a while.
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You are 'wanting' / 'trying' to talk to a person with dementia - who lost and is losing brain cells - as if he has NORMAL cognitive brain functioning. He doesn't.

Firstly, he is not to have access to any car keys. Period.

Once you understand that he has changed and you cannot talk / communicate with him as you used to:
- You need to learn how to communicate with a person inflicted with dementia.
- Google Teepa Snow (or others), watch You Tubes, get books "how to talk to a person with dementia" --- it clearly is a learning process.

What you can DO:

1. Redirect him when he asks you a question.
- Google how to "redirect a person with dementia"
2. Agree and say you'll look into it (= validate you are listening and giving them HOPE to get their needs met)

What you DO NOT do:
1. Use logic
2. Argue
3. Try to explain
All this does is further activate frustration and emotional upset when you want to 'keep the person as calm as possible.'

Realize he is scared of losing his mind (he [may] likely knows it) and losing his independence as he's either known it for-ever and/or believes he has (now).
No one wants to give up 'their self' - they will go KICKING AND SCREAMING ... aimed at YOU. Realize this must be the most difficult place a person can be - in their life - in their mind/head (confused, lost, scared).

Realize, too, that these family relationships, esp between a parent and adult child, have life-long histories, whatever they are.
* The relationship has changed.
* Although your re-actions could / likely still be a younger person responding to her father ... automatic responses.

CHECK yourself and take a moment before you respond to see / realize:
a. Am I talking to him as I used to ... 30 years ago? 5 years ago? 1 year ago;
b. How do I need to speak / respond to him now.
c. Show empathy and compassion while setting boundaries.

UNDERSTAND YOU ARE GRIEVING
* It may not feel like it now although this is what you are going through - losing the dad you have known.
- It seems to be one of the hardest LIFE LESSONS to realize you are grieving the loss of a parent who is, in some ways, still here - yet so very different. Give yourself the healing, time and space, and support you need to get through these times.

Always give him H O P E.
"I'll look into this ..."
"That's a really good idea... I'll think about it."
"I love you Dad."
Learn how to redirect ... change the subject.

And remember ...

Always expect the unexpected.
I should put that on a bumper sticker.

Gena / Touch Matters P.S. I did webinars with Teepa Snow for 1-1/2+ years, years ago. Learn what happens to the brain so you know who you're talking to (what parts of the brain).
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Angst74 Dec 6, 2024
A thousand thanks for recommending Teepa Snow (I think one or two others also mentioned her, so thanks to them, too). I began looking at her videos yesterday. They are superb!

As my husband and I age (he just turned 87, and I'll be 78 in February), we see signs that our mental acuities are declining. At this stage we don't know what's "normal" for our ages versus what are signs of impending dementia. Teepa's videos will go a long way toward educating us in these matters, as well as teaching each of us the skills to manage the changes.
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KatnJim: Make sure that he doesn't have access to the vehicle keys again. He doesn't possess the capacity for logical thought processes.
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Ps on Amazon and such they sell a safe can!!
basicalky it looks like an ordinary tin of beans in your cupboard but it’s not it’s a safe
about £8
if you had one of those bet he wouldn’t find the keys in a million light years :-) they even sell safe hair brush that you can hide things in and light bulbs -
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Anxietynacy Dec 4, 2024
I have a can of spam in my house. Bought it at Michaels, figure someday it will come in handy. Who is ever going to look inside a spam can. 😂
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Seems you will need to find a better way to secure the car keys. Every time this comes up, you have 2 choices. Either you keep showing him the documents and deal with the upset feelings. Or, you can divert him to another topic/activity. If he is getting anxious, agitated or hostile... please talk to his doctor about medication to help calm him.
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Concentrate less on your husband's being angry with you and more on what you can do to support him in living with cognitive decline. You and he are on this journey together. Give it your best and do it well.
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ForWhatItsWorth Dec 4, 2024
‘Give it your best and do it well.’ What a good thing to put in our memory banks for all we do, for family, for friends and for ourselves. I love this!
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Kat, dementia changes endlessly, this is what you are going through this month, next month or 3 months it will be something different.

Down the road you will wish that this was your only issue and that your husband's was blaming you.

I had a client once, when I was caregiving, when she was being mean, I was happy, because I new she was was feeling good enough to be mean, so that was a good day for her.

So sorry about what your going through. Join us here, you will learn so much.
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Also look at website for Demensia Society of America. They have a Q&A Zoom call every Monday that has helped me significantly. If your car is your main way to get around you cannot hide it or disable it, so you need better ways to hide the keys. Second, I had local police come out and talk to my wife. He probably won't recall what they say, but it may allow you to deflect his anger to them. You can say that you understand his anger but, "The police won't let you drive." If he insists, you can say that you'll call them tomorrow to see if they will change their tuling.
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You can not make him understand anything.

You will likely have this conversation (and argument) repeated daily.

Try and keep your patience. His mind is having a hard time processing information, and he will forget you explained this to him earlier.

One helpful method of dealing with his questions and accusations is distraction.
Give brief, simple answers to his questions, then direct his attention to something else. "What would you like for lunch today?" Encourage him to work on a project or hobby he enjoys. Remind him you love him and you will be here for him as he goes through this.

Hide the car keys better.

Help him with ordering things that can be delivered. And help him use a rideshare service to get around, although if his judgement is too impaired, you probably don't want him going anywhere alone.
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Consider a decoy set of keys on your usual key chain. If he finds them, wonder right along with him why the car won’t start. They weren’t “hidden” if they were in your purse - a logical place to look. Put the decoys in your purse to lessen his suspicion. Keep the real car keys someplace obscure.

I went through this with my mother. She still blames me for making her grow old and even demanded to know how much someone was paying me to try to make her think she was losing her mind. (because her mind is perfect and we are all gaslighting her) A combative person with dementia is so frustrating and exhausting! Good luck!
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Oh boy do I understand. Fortunately, we recently moved to a place with excellent public transportation and we gave up the cars. We walk as much as possible, and take the light rail and buses. My DH cannot navigate and drive at the same time. He is easily distracted and doesn't follow directions well. He knows he has brain damage and some executive function impairments. He knows that he has no sense of time, impaired sense of smell, and has lost many skills that were strong when he was younger. Given a few more years he may no longer know any of this.

In your case, complement your husband on returning the keys. Joke that you are his personal chauffeur. Ask him on the same day each week where he wants to go next week and when, and plan trips that will satisfy his needs. Mark it on a large paper calendar, so that he knows where he is going and when. If you get tired of taking him and he is able to go out without you, use Uber or Lyft. Make sure you have an app on his phone that lets you track him. Then you can pick him up or arrange a pick up and know where he is. If he can't go by himself, can you hire a companion for a few hours/week? Let them take him where he wants to go.

The issue isn't just driving, it's the loss of control. That is real and will get worse. With prayers and blessings for you both!
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We only have so much energy to devote to constant caregiving, so no longer try to convince daddy he shouldn’t drive. He has no access to the keys. When he demands the keys, they are lost and I’ll look for them later. This is the standard answer every time. He may be frustrated, but we settle for that.
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His brain is broken, you cannot make him understand anything. It's just not going to happen.

Make sure he doesn't get hold of the car keys.
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