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Hopeforhelp22 - It's true the dog did not bite me and cause me to fall but it came charging and unfriendly barking at me and I wasn't about to assume the dog was just trying to be nice.

It's also true I was aggressive by yelling but that's what I believe irresponsible dog owners need to hear and experience to change their behavior.

I'm through being a pushover when it comes to these kinds of people. When I look back at my life it has happened countless times. I just remembered one time I was swimming in the ocean in water over my head without lifeguards around (I no longer do this!). This retriever-type dog comes swimming out to me putting it's paws on me and causing a very dangerous situation.

I still remember feeling the dogs nails on my hands and body. I yelled at the dog and anyone nearby and was able to swim back. When I got to shore the dog owner or his dumb friend shouted out me "You're a wimp!". I just got my shoes on, picked up my towel and high tailed it out of there. No more though. Next time I will take a photo of the offending dog and owner, if I can, and forward it to animal control and the police.
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sp19690 Jul 2022
When's the next Resident Evil movie coming out? Maybe you can include some zombified golden retrievers in it.

Lol about a dog, specifically a golden retriever swimming to you in the ocean and putting their paws on you. What is it with you and that specific breed if dog. It's just uncanny and strange.

And why don't you correct everyone that assumes you are female?
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What do you think? You obviously feel guilty about it and maybe realize it was misplaced anger. Are you looking for people to agree with you that you were right to yell at him because the dog was not on a leash. Should you feel bad? It's up to you to decide. And you can always apologize if you feel inclined or just forget about it.
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lisatrevor Jul 2022
Yes, ultimately it's up to me but it is sometimes good to get different perspectives. That's what this forum is for.
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Hopeforhelp22 - That's all nonsense. The dog was charging at me and barking. That was a threat to my safety. Being nice, like holding out my hand was a risk of being bitten by a dog with an unknown history. Some dogs have rabies.

I have the right to to do whatever it takes to protect myself in such a situation. If there is a "negative outcome" with the dog then I am in no way responsible. In fact if I am injured the dog owner might be.

I used to dislike dogs but then I found out the truth - in most cases it's not the dog I dislike but the irresponsible owner! The other discovery is that it is a cultural thing - in different places dogs behave different. It's a refection of the respect dog owners have for their neighbors and their dogs. That's when you can be nice.
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Hopeforhelp22 Jul 2022
lisatrevor - If you think it's "nonsense" that you will be justified for hurting a dog in any way - then you will sadly find out the hard way. You really have hate inside of yourself - detest for animals, people - it's coming out in your messages. And I previously heard of a situation - similar to yours - and causing behavior to provoke a dog - or hurt a dog - will cost you massive legal fees and problems that are not easily resolved - even if you "think" you are justified. You seem to want to take control of a situation in the worst case possible...why don't you find a more positive way to spend your time - truly?

And I never suggested to hold your hand out to an unfamiliar dog - who by the way, never touched you - walked away...was more civilized. Let it go already - for your own good.

And yes - it's very clear that you still dislike dogs - I don't understand that at all. My gosh - you are really missing out. The happiest times in my life have been with dogs - all dogs - any dog - just put a dog in front of me - please!

Just try being nice first - stop the judgement already - doesn't it make your day tense ....you're like the "Grinch of Dogs" - yikes! Lighten up - please!
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This question is simply another bid for validation by Lisa Trevor. There are roughly 3,000,000 falls for elderly people treated in US Emergency Departments each year. Only an estimated 86,629 are attributable to pets.

This forum is only helpful if the topics are related to caregiving. Barking dogs, 5th grade report cards, do not belong on Agine Care. I would suggest that Lisa find an online forum more suited to her needs.
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lisatrevor Jul 2022
Saying someone needs "validation" because they asked for opinions is a cheap technique that appeals to dumb people.

People generally ask for opinions to get different perspectives so they can do the right thing. You can go through a long, full life and still not have anywhere near the experiences of someone else. That's why asking for opinions can be beneficial.

"Only an estimated 86,629 (falls) are attributable to pets." "Only"? It seems that that's an important subject for eldercare.
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Lisa, the odds are huge that this man and his dog will never bother you again. He is probably more scared of you, and he probably figures he is surveilled going past your fathers property.

I give you props for being honest enough to not be publicly faking concern for the dog as your main concern over behavior. If a dog is unleashed on the street, it’s ok if your main concern is what happens to ppl when a car hits it vs the dog. My fav personally was all these ppl calling us insisting that their noise complaints had to, absolutely had to, be related to animal abuse when really they wanted Aco to come out there and impound it as barking was on code enforcement. Animal control joked about the latter often.
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Lisa< I am far from being a dumb person. I am a PhD Level Licensed Clinical Psychologist and I have 15+ years working in emergency departments and hospitals as a mental health evaluator. I know a validation seeker when one pops up. And the falls due to pets is less than 0.028%.
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PeggySue2020 Jul 2022
Becky, you said roughly 85000 out of 3m. Wouldn’t that be 2.8 percent? If true, that’s not neglible.
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Lisa, I think your initial approach would be enough to scare off this dog owner. He knows you will get him in trouble, ok?

but like I said, you can’t make the street dog free. If like you your father shares these apprehensions, along with his other issues, it might be well nigh to move him into an environment where this fall risk is even more mitigated, such as a dog free facility or condo complex.
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What does this have to do with ageingcare? About as much as Lisa's post about her new neighbor having the hots for her because his car plate resembled her name.. The mods remodel posts for less than this,, where are they on this completely unrelated stuff? I have been posting less and less because so much of this is drama related as this is,, not actual caregiving. Her dad was nowhere near this situation, she was not harmed, and it's not a pet training forum!
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Becky04489 Jul 2022
I agree totally! I see her name and know we're in for histrionic nonsense. She needs a big dose of real caregiver problems.
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Pam, you are right. I'm reporting my comment so the mods can consider shutting this post down to further comments. It's turned into a two-way conversation between 2 members chatting between themselves anyway, and has nothing whatsoever to do with caregiving.
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PeggySue2020 Jul 2022
Lealonnie, every senior facility including the one where your mom was has some pet policy because there is a recognizable hazard. Perhaps you’d do more good talking about what it was versus harping on people you personally dislike. Can animals cause hazards to old people? Yes. how do we mitigate that while allowing them to keep their animals and or avoid risks?
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I believe in keeping posts up if the topic pertains to elder care. Certainly hazards from animals fits the bill.

Several months back, mil attempted a walker walk with Brothers Wife and mils dog. Said dog startled, mil fell in the confusion, and the paramedics had to haul her off the street. Of course if it’d been someone’s unleashed dog, that person would have been in a boatload of trouble, but as it was, it was her fault. she still has the dog, and if she trips over it in her house, there’s not anything anyone can do about it.

Regular responsible dog walkers need to give a wide berth to humans needing mobility devices, be it a stroller, a walker, cane, wheelchair or whatever. Don’t go up to them like your dog is a therapy dog, not even if it is leashed.
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pamzimmrrt Jul 2022
Peggy her post as read has nothing to do with elder care, her father was napping . As far as we know Lisa has no mobility issues, although she may next week.. this topic is nothing to do with this forum.
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