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I recently bought the house next door and moved my mother, who has dementia and other ailments in, to take care of her. I have part time caregivers and I do the rest. My mother is a big time chain smoker for 60 years. I have asked one thing of her since moving her in and that is not to smoke in the house. I hate the smell and don’t want to end up with second hand smoke problems for myself. She refuses to do this one thing because it’s cold outside. Every day we end up in a fight about it. I do everything for her. Meals, laundry, care, changing, finances. Literally everything. I feel like I should have the one decency of not having to breathe in cigarette smoke. She cares about cigarettes more than me or literally anything in earth. What would you do?

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If she always smoked in her own house, why did you think she would stop smoking in yours? From your profile: "I am caring for my mother Sue, who is 79 years old, living in my home with alzheimer's / dementia, anxiety, broken hip, depression, incontinence, lung disease, and mobility problems."

You had an unrealistic expectation of her. Why did you move her in? How did you become the solution to her caregiving needs?

Why are you giving up your life for her?
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Cp31979 Nov 2022
Well I’m her only living family member so that’s why. And because I want to. I just don’t want to breath second hand smoke all day. She not living my house she’s living in a house I bought her. I go there all day long throughout the day. And at her old house she did mostly smoke outside.
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If she's not living in your house, but a house you bought for her, then it's her house. Meaning she is entitled to smoke in it if she so desires. What made you think she'd change a hugely addictive behavior after practicing it for 60 years? And suffering from dementia which makes her impossible to reason with and lacking empathy now?

I wouldn't expect an elder with dementia to be going outside in freezing temperatures to smoke, to be honest with you. So stop arguing with her and allow her to live as she sees fit in the house you bought for her.

If you don't want to breathe in second hand smoke, hire caregivers (on her dime) to care for her exclusively now. Let her know why you're doing so, but don't expect her to be compassionate about your position....dementia makes an elder extremely self centered and lacking awareness of other's needs and desires.

She may start fires with her cigarettes too, since dementia is at play now. We had a poster here who's mother burned down her house due to smoking with dementia. In reality, a demented elder needs 24/7 care either at home or in managed care where smoking indoors is prohibited.

To parrot what CTNN55 said to you, how did you become the solution to your mother's caregiving needs?? Most people have no idea what dementia is all about, how it progresses, what the care requirements will be, or how truly dangerous it is for an elder to be alone for even a brief amount of time. While your intentions were good, you may not have realized what a kettle of fish you were getting into here!

I suggest you read a 33 page booklet which is a free download online, it's called Understanding the Dementia Experience by Jennifer Ghent Fuller. She also has a book under the same name you can purchase on Amazon. She'll give you a good idea of what dementia is all about and what life is like from mom's perspective. It's a very informative read.

Good luck to you.
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No, she doesn't care about cigarettes more than she cares about you. She is seriously addicted to tobacco. She has dementia, which means that any argument or agreements about all this will work less and less and less and eventually this will end in a fire as likely as not, so I hope that your insurance is really good. I am sorry, but this lifelong habit is very unlikely to be cured in an elder suffering from dementia until there is in facility care and someone else handling the pursestrings so tobacco isn't purchased. At that the withdrawal would be severely stressful. I am sorry. The news here is bad.
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Maybe you should wear an N95 mask around her.
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velbowpat Nov 2022
A relative of mine came home from work one day after her MIL moved in.
She found the gas stove on and MIL sitting smoking at the kitchen table.
MIL moved to appropriate facility.
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What happens when the dementia progresses to her wandering away when she’s outside smoking? What happens when the dementia progresses to her forgetting about a lit cigarette and causing a fire? What happens when hired caregivers refuse to work in a smoky environment and breathe second hand smoke? Please stop fighting with your mom, she’s truly no longer capable of rational decision making. Consider whether you can or cannot control the finances to the point of cutting off the cigarettes (and be prepared for an addicted person with dementia to rain hell down on you if you do cut off the cigarettes) And consider this whole plan and whether it’s a good one both for now and in the time to come.
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So, as an ex-smoker I have a bit of a different approach. 1st off, you can't just cold turkey her off cigarettes. After 60 years, that would be cruel and potentially dangerous.

Have you considered a vaping product? I used ones that looked like real cigarettes to help me quit. I wanted to quit and it took many tries and lots of different approaches to find what worked but, if your mom isn't ready, nothing is going to work and I believe, you will create a monster by forcing her. Especially with dementia, which causes fixation and that is a real consideration. However, it could be a good solution for her nicotine addiction. Which, I can say was the hardest thing I have ever quit in my life, and I drank and did illegal drugs when I was young and cigarettes were by far the hardest thing physically to stop.

Time to look at real solutions to the issue.

Get a couple of good air purification units for the areas she smokes in. Get her smokeless ashtrays, they really do help keep the smoke out of the air. Change the furnace filter monthly. You can even buy sheets that lay on your filter and blow fragrance through the vents. I put essential oils on 9x9 squares of cotton to freshen the entire house. Because it is a layered effort to keep the smell away, you have to try different things.

I found pet odor candles and oil candles to really eliminate the odor, to the point people thought I didn't smoke in my home.

When you enter the house, ask her to put her cigarette out and move them away so she doesn't light up while you are there.

Give her hard candies, this serves a couple of purposes, it gives her something to do with her mouth and using peppermint, cinnamon and lemon candies gets rid of tobacco breath. My cousin used cinnamon sticks so he hand both his hands and mouth busy.

Regular cleaning and odor removal products (i liked fabreze) help keep the home from getting stale. Opening the windows for a few minutes everyday will help too. I would do this midday during cold months.

I would set up a place for her to smoke that has the least amount of flammable items as possible. Think tile. You can put tile on top of coffee tables, you can have a handyman build a tile square to put over the carpet, those kinds of solutions.

I would put up smoke detectors in every room of the house, just in case she starts a fire. You can put up monitored ones that notify you and 911 or just you.

Yes, it is some effort and work to implement solutions but, you sound very determined to do this. Oh, when you hire caregivers, make sure you make it clear it is a smoking household, you will be surprised at how many of them smoke or vape.

Most importantly, please get educated on dementia. Unless you have 1st hand experience, you are in for a rollercoaster ride of frustration, anger, upset and total chaos. Because your mom, as you have always known her is slipping away, you are now the responsible adult in the relationship and need to find ways that accomplish your goals without harming her.

Best of luck. Dementia is awful and just when you have found a solution, bam, she declines and you start over. Being prepared by understanding the disease will save you much heartache. Hugs!
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Cp31979 Nov 2022
Thank you for your kind answer
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I’d just buy mom a juul vape pen.

If she’s been smoking for 60 years, this is now one of those “accept what you can’t change” type of situations. Or in other words, harm reduction.

My sister the surgeon says they’re very preferable to inhaling the organic matter in cigarettes. Plus there is no fire risk.
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You chose to buy a house next to her, you choose to sit there all day with her, those were your choices. You knew she was addicted to cigarettes.

She is not going to change, is there really a reason that you need to sit with her all day? If not, don't, protect your health, cut down on the time you spend with her explain to her why, set your boundaries and stick to them.

The ball is in your court.
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Cp31979 Nov 2022
No I don’t sit with her all day. I go in through out the day and night. And I don’t care if she smokes. I care that she smokes inside. I have a right to protect my health too. I don’t want to end up like her.
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My mom is also addicted to cigarettes and smokes around me and my brother which is yet ANOTHER reason I am working on untethering myself from her as soon as possible

I don't smoke
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I’d treat her as I would any other addict. I’d help her get treatment for her addiction. But I wouldn’t expect her to accept it.
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anonymous1582493 Nov 2022
I don't know, I'm literally an addiction specialist working in the middle of the opiod epidemic and even as a psychologist in that field I've never seen research that smoking cessation techniques - any of them, work on dementia patients. I don't know that she'd understand any of them. The most evidence based technique is cognitive behavioral therapy and that doesn't work if you don't have a lot of cognitive function.

We had to do that with my granny so I used my connections to seek out experts in the field and nothing worked. She just had withdrawals in full blown nicotine fits and didn't understand why we were torturing her even with the entire medical team explaining that it was because she would literally die if she smoked while having chemotherapy. The MAT helped a little bit so maybe try that with patches or something, but even that won't have permanent effects without some kind of evidence based psychotherapy like CBT because it won't break the habit.

I think this might just be a losing battle, but I can't stand to see my granny think that we're torturing her. And I can't find anything that works with dementia as a confounding variable. But I'm one person. I don't have all the research in the world. And I got so frustrated and tired that after about 3 years of trying I was just like, "f***k it."

$70 grand of student debt and that was my solution.

Edit: I'm sorry if this was aggressive or anything it's just a nerve I guess. I love my career but we're not magic. Dementia isn't reversible, and the neurodegenerative effects make most therapeutic techniques just not work because of how it affects the amygdalal hypocampal region. The hypocampus is the first to go, and the hypocampus connects to the basil ganglia, which is what causes habit formation in the first place. So if that straight up doesn't function we can't magically make it start functioning so we can do addiction rehabilitation. Neurologists and brain surgeons can't either. I asked. A lot. You can take certain medications to slow the degredation, but because the hypocampus is the first to go and you can't resurrect dead neurons I just kind of don't know what you'd do in terms of addiction. Like we need the hypocampus to work for any addiction rehab to work. And right now once it's gone it's gone. And it's really frustrating to me because this is my job. And she's my granny. I should be able to fix this. I spent so much money and I worked so hard and I should be able to fix this. But I can't. What's the point of all that money and all that work if I can't even save my own family?

It's a really easy thing to break down over.

Edit 2: Like I said though, I'm one person. I might just be really bad at my job. It never feels like it at work but it always feels like it when I get home around her.
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You live in Dallas Texas, so surely it’s not really freezing outside. Many houses have a laundry with a back door to the outside. If mother smoked in there, with the back door open and the door to the rest of the house closed, would that work for both of you? You could even have a little radiant heater on a timer, for her to sit close to.

If mother won’t compromise at all, point out to her that if she has to move to a facility, she is not going to be able to smoke inside – perhaps not smoke at all.
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Isthisrealyreal Nov 2022
I don't think that layout is very common in the USA.

It makes good sense though, out of the washer, out to the clothesline.
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I gave up and just kind of accepted it. She blows smoke right in your face while you're doing her feeding tube and stuff, she smoked during the flood around me while I was pouring gasoline into the generator, she leaves ashes everywhere, she smokes in my car and gets mad that there's no ashtray in the car (which I guess used to be a thing??) So she just ashes right in the floor of the car. You just kind of stop caring about whether you die or not at some point.

I know that sounds depressing, but you have to pick your battles and that won't kill you instantly the way some things they do will, so you have to just kind of get used to the idea that your own safety is secondary to some of their whims and realistically that's just how it is or you'll stay miserable.

If you're fighting a losing battle, be prepared to either fight it forever or let it go. Some things can't be changed.
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Cp31979 Nov 2022
I’m really sorry you had to deal with that. I just refuse to compromise my health like that. I didn’t chose to smoke. I will support her smoking if it’s outside. I have to care for myself too. I have 3 young kids I want to stay healthy and live the best life I can because of them.
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If Mom is suffering from Dementia there is no reasoning with her, she has lost the ability. Also, she has short-term memory loss so does not remember what u told her. All her brain knows is that she smokes.

I too would be concerned in her being alone and smoking. My Dad was with it and would fall asleep with a cigarette in his hand. I would, too, suggest that you wear a mask when in her house. As said, your fighting a losing battle.
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iameli Nov 2022
This is what kept nagging at me while reading the comments. Is it safe for the caregivers/OP to leave her alone while smoking (whether inside or outside)?
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I think you are missing the bigger picture here. You say you want to stay healthy for your kids. Caregiving for your demented mother will probably kill you faster than worrying about second hand smoke.

Stress is the number one killer that can lead to strokes, heart attacks, and other physical or mental health issues. Many times the caregiver dies before the demented elder.

Eventually as your mom's needs increase something will have to give. Even with part time caregivers you are still doing the lions share of the work.
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My Mom smoked in my house also, I have to agree with the air purifiers,, they worked great for us , and still do as hubs smokes . Something that worked for a friend who smoked, and her mom who lived with her.. if you have a garage can you set up a smoking area in there? She used outdoor chairs and a small table with an ashtray, and they were both pretty happy with it. Maybe open the door a bit from the the bottom to let some air in and moving. Good luck with this, it's nearly impossible to get them to quit after 60 years,, and I am an RT !
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Here are two very different strategies to think about:

1) Is it possible that mother feels ‘dis-empowered’ by you ‘taking over her life’ (with the best intentions, of course). Is this a deliberate way to pit her independence against something that you want her to do? If that’s possible, is there any way to give her more choices? Ask her for her own ideas about how to solve the problem? Keep warm with a woolen 'smoking jacket' like Sherlock Holmes, plus a woolie cap?

2) Lay it on the line: ‘M, when we made this arrangement, you had always smoked outside, not in the house. I expected that would continue. If I had known that caring for you would mean I was breathing cigarette smoke all day, I would never have suggested this, or bought the house next door to mine for you to live in. It’s not just that it’s not good for me, I simply hate the smell. I also hate that it causes so many arguments between us. If there is no alternative, we will have to find a different living arrangement, one that works for both of us’.
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She's been chain smoking for 60 years and you thought she would stop? Come on.
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ventingisback Nov 2022
I think OP means:
in the mother’s house, the mother smoked only outdoors. So OP hoped her mother would continue doing that in OP’s house: it was OP’s only wish: please smoke outdoors.

But OP’s mother now smokes indoors and outdoors, in OP’s house.
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Sadly, smoking is a strong addiction. People can't help themselves until they make their own decision to quit. But you also have to consider her cargivers' health (including your own). Can you ask her to smoke only in one room (have a designated smoking room), that you can stay out of? Open the windows in the room when she is not there to clear the air, and get an air purifier for that room to absorb some of the smoke, or if you can, have a "negative" ventilation system, that draws air out of the room to the outside. Please don't take this personnaly as disrespecting you. She can't help it. But do try to find a way to have a healthy environment for yourself and her caregivers.
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Candyapple Nov 2022
This is such a wonderful responds. It would bd hard for her to stop even using those fake cigarettes are just as bad. Sending her anywhere else will not help just bc she smokes trust me she would be neglected. Great response it’s about love, bending working things out to simplify a bad situation.
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Dementia is a disease that requires 24-hour supervision. Your mother is not safe to be left alone In Your House or any place for even one second. Since she has smoked 60 years, her addition might be hard to break. It's either get home caregivers around the clock or place her in a facility for memory care. You are important and should no longer suffer second-hand smoke. You need a break for your own health.
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Mom still smoking at 99-2/3, but only in kitchen. Brother buys her cigs! Occasionally mom will "pretend smoke" in consideration to me. 2nd-hand smoke is almost as bad as smoking. As suggested in comments, I'll get another air purifier, a stronger exhaust fan, a smokeless ashtray. Is there a "pretend" cig I could buy (not vaping)?? Also, I try to make her eat before smoking. I say if you go into the kitchen, it is for eating, and smoking is after you eat -- because smoking kills the appetite. This smoking issue is huge for me, huge!
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BurntCaregiver Nov 2022
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The fact that your mother is 99 years old is remarkable. If she can still light one up and sit at the kitchen table and smoke, I say her buys her as many cigarettes as she wants.
In fact, I hope that in good conscience you but her name-brand cigarettes. Please don't be slipping her any generic crap. No vapes either at 99. Come on.
Also, smoking never killed my appetite for one second and I was a smoker since childhood. Almost 40 years.
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Nicotine addiction is terrible. After 60 years, she may need it more than laundry, meals, your company, etc., or her body tells her that. Do you pick up the cigarettes, have you tried the nicotine patches with her? Is it possible to restrict the smoking to one room with an excellent air cleaner? I assume you have fire detectors! IF she has caretakers, you might consider withdrawing your company and services for a spell and see if she can try to stick to the agreement. In the past, I saw a psychiatric unit stop all inside smoking due to new health hospital rules. It worked with lots of complaining. She won't stop if she is demented, stubborn, and a lifelong smoker, but she might bundle up if you insist. But it will be ugly; don't assume things will be friendly. However, you do have some leverage. And no facility will allow her to smoke in building if that is the next choice, or even outside the door. You might point that out. It will be cold turkey then. If she can live on her own (I am talking about legal limitations not rational ones), she may choose that. Those cigarettes are a god.
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BurntCaregiver Nov 2022
Moxies,

She moved in her mother who has been a smoker for 60 years. The OP grew up in a house where her mother smoked. She was around her mother and probably father or relatives smoking before she moved her mom in.
No one should be expected to quit smoking after 60 years. That would be a terrible thing to do to someone.
If the smoking bothers the OP so much, she does not have to live with it. She can move. So can her mother.
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she sounds so ungrateful i feel sorry for you maybe you could make a little space near a window where she can sit and the smoke can go outside
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I agree with the person I replied to. If mom goes outside to smoke she can get pneumonia. I’ve heard of ppl that happened to along either the smoking. Having that room with the window open if it’s safe to go so or have the humidifier in there. If someone has to clean it put on masks open window while cleaning. See if u can get a counselor that could probably help her. I’m proud of u for helping your mom u r doing the right think just make good decisions whereas everyone is happy.
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BurntCaregiver Nov 2022
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People do not get pneumonia, colds, or any other disease because they went outside in the cold.
Cold weather and being cold does not cause disease. Bacteria or viruses do. You won't catch a bacteria or virus from going outside to smoke on a cold day.
If a person is already sick or coming down with something being out in the cold will make it worse. It does not cause the sickness.
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In addition to the many good suggestions here, if mom continues to smoke indoors, in one room only, another helpful item could be an ozone machine; hotels use them to 'detox' rooms that guests have smoked in. You only run the machine when no one is in there, like overnight (theoretically when mom is asleep, not likely to come in for a smoke.) Some studies show 2nd hand smoke is more detrimental than first hand, so do not compromise your own health. And don't forget that cigarette smoke permeates EVERYTHING, is almost impossible to get out of structures, fabrics, etc. Yes, nicotine is addictive and most commercial cigarette brands intentionally jack up that feature with other additives; and it's a 'habit' for 'nervous' folks who 'need to have something to do with their hands'...so, unlikely to have her quit at this stage of life; protect your health. All the best.
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SamTheManager Nov 2022
Ozone is bad for people to breathe in, though. You are better off with a HEPA air purifier with a couple of stages but not ozone. The purifiers work to a point, but they are definitely helpful for a room that is closed off and has ventilation, which can be a basic window fan to pull smoke out and then the HEPA outside of the room they are smoking in and in the room you are in. If you can, you could do it in the smoking room and the other area where you are. They have to be large enough for the area. But it's not going to be the case that it makes the air perfectly cleaned up. You will still breathe it in and it will still smell, just not as much. I've been through this, unfortunately.
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Buy her a vape, I easily gave up smoking after 30 years using an ecig, nothing else worked for me. If you do all your mum’s shopping tell her you’re not gonna buy smokes for say a week so she can at least give vaping a try. They don’t smell at all and I can now laugh without coughing as my lungs don’t rattle anymore.
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From where does she get cigarettes?
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As others on here have said she’s addicted to nicotine. I smoked a pack a day for over 50 years & tried every FDA approved method to quit even hypnotism twice….nothing worked.

My son took me to a vape store and I found a flavor I liked and that was the only way I was able to finally quit. I hate the smell of smoke and the vapes leave no odor at all & you can adjust the amt of nicotine over time.
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BurntCaregiver Nov 2022
@Jada

I hear that. I smoked since I was a child. I tried every method over the years and I'd be smoke-free for a few months at a time. Then I tried the one way I'd never thought of. I quit and stayed away from them now for two years. I do the AA program. It works for addiction if someone wants it to. Booze, drugs, sex, food, gambling, you name it. I stuggle with wanting it. Some days more than others. One day at a time though. Some days it's one hour at a time. This has been working for me for two years.
It's true about the smell of smoke though. I'm like that now too. I can't stand the smell of cigarette smoke.
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If she smoked indoors for the last 60 years she's not going to take it outside now. She's also not going to quit at her time of life. I think you know this already though. You can't have been serious about her quitting after 60 years or even taking it outside. Please don't take her cigarettes away. I was a smoker since I was around 12 years old. I quit two years ago at almost 50. So I know the anxiety and fear it will cause your mother if you take her cigarettes away. That would be very cruel to take her cigarettes away or stop supplying her.
However, you have a right to live in a smoke-free home. This is not unreasonable. You and your mother cannot live in the same house. Either you will have to move or she will because she is not going to quit smoking unless she is forced to and at her time of life, that would cruel and wrong to force her to.
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SamTheManager Nov 2022
Look into buproprion. Once it's in your system it reduces or eliminates the craving for nicotine. It works for other things too, like alcohol, gambling, and amphetamines, although that is off label. If it's to quit smoking cigarettes, you can often get it prescribed just for that reason.
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I've been hesitant in repling to this question but I keep coming back to it. I'm 70 and my cogs ( short for cognitive abilities) or the loss of them are making themselves known. Let me tell you my story. I started smoking at 15, 55 years ago. I heard a radio personality I admired say he stopped smoking regular cigarettes and started smoking JUUL. I retired from nursing in 2015 and really noticed a smoker cough. Knowing everything about a smoking a cigarette is bad I had to do something. But its the Nicotine I was craving and it doesn't come in a pill. I needed to make a change, more then just brands, so I gave JUUL a try. On May 2, 2017 I stopped regular cigarettes and pick up my new best friend, my JUUL. Have Not regretted one moment. The releaf is there. Its been 5 years. NO FIRE, no smoke (or 2nd hand smoke), no smell, no ash trays. I call it my nicotine delivery device. I look at it this way, from MY point of view. I like the way I feel when I puff and get my dose of nicotine. I'm 70, and the nicotine in my brain (50+ yrs smoking) has saturated it. Without it I get glittery, nervious, up set and a cry baby comes out. I get very mad. Nothing is worse then a mad, pissed off old lady with the nerve and the mouth of a sailor. Bottom line, she old and smoking A Lit cigarette is in incredible dangerous. Can't change the habit, change the delivery system. I stock up JUUL pods like my panty pads. And now they can start delivering to my door again. Not all people who drink look like the drunk on the corner. Not ALL people who "vape" look like lost souls with tats all over and metal piercings pointing out their facial flaws. I smoke my JUUL because I love what it DOES for ME. She needs to do something NOT CONTROLLED BY YOU. No matter how much you love her, her cigarettes are her best friend. Help her enjoy what she has left and JUUL might just be your answer. Give her a kiss from a fellow smoker, being old and getting older is heartbraking enough.
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ConnieCaretaker Nov 2022
Yes, and my daughter was prescribed nicotine pills............no need for smoking anything.
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What can one say smoking is very nasty. Both my father and grandmother died of smoking issues. I could give the ugly stories but what’s the point. All I can say is smoking in any property I own is forbidden because it reduces the value of the property since you can not remove the smell and residue.
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