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You don't have to apologize. You're the employer. Simply state the reality: You do good work. However, in the future, please leave the children home or I'll need to find someone else.
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Grandma1954 Apr 2021
Can I then charge the caregiver $10.00 an hour for watching her children in my new "play room"?
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You just have to tell her exactly what you just wrote here.

She probably can't afford to hire a Sitter.

You'll have to weigh the pros and cons before letting her go.

Maybe you can let her know to tell the children not to touch your things or go in to your office.

Maybe you could have one room where they can stay to Watch TV, Color, kids hand held learning computer, a Board game, ect and play outdoors.
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Maallis10 Apr 2021
No, sorry, I don't agree. It is not the patient's responsibility to provide an playroom for the paid caregiver's children. If she can't afford to hire a sitter, then perhaps it goes back on the agency who provides her services.
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If the children interact with your loved one then it could be a good thing. Caregiving is looking after the best interest of the person you are carrying for. If the children are able to contribute into the care, if say move the stuff you don't wasn't touched. If they are not contributing to the care or interaction, then be merciful. It's not easy having children right now. Schools are a mess, we still have this pandemic, predators look for young children, and this may be the only job this person can have right now. The caregiver is helping you and you are helping them.
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Dianed58 Apr 2021
While I appreciate the risks and the boundary concerns, I'm glad someone here speaks to the reality of what it's like having a front line/low skill job like this while also raising kids. The poor woman is probably trying to keep it all together. If the kids are disruptive and can't be contained/redirected, then yes, something has to go. And perhaps it's gone to far with other extended family members coming over as well. But there's also an opportunity here for both sides to grow. Community is what keeps us all afloat. With proper boundaries, everyone might benefit from the expanded social network.
My mom's aide recently had to bring her two daughters (age 4 &7) over during school break, when their usual babysitter was on quarantine. It was either that or she couldn't come that week. It was temporary, and the girls were well behaved. Mom enjoyed the company. It was a win-win for all that week.
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I think what is sad is that she obviously does not have a sitter and needs the job. If she is from an agency and you tell them she will probably be immediately fired. On the other hand, it seems you are OK with the 10-year-old because she knows how to behave. I would write her a note so you can express yourself without hostility and give her at the end of her shift when she is leaving. This way once it is read, she is out of your house and either gets it or does not come back but maintain your safety. Don't know how someone may respond with threat of losing her job. Dear... First, I hate to even have this conversation because we know you know better. You know children should not be with you so there must be a reason. To continue this, please mind your sons to behave in my home and respect my things by looking and not touching, bring them quiet entertainment or we can no longer work together. I'm not saying anything you don't know so you will either understand or come out of a bag but you deal with this before you return. Thank you and God Bless.
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Well first IF she is paid thru a company....notify the company. You are paying for HER.......not for her to bring kids along. She is there to take care of YOU.........not to also take care of her kids. what are you going to do IF something goes missing......how will she react if you claim one of her kids did it? what happens if something of value gets broken? then what...........Just inform her that you prefer she not bring her children and that if they continue to come along you will no longer require her services. Wishing you luck.
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toomuch4me Apr 2021
You made some great points especially about what happens if she claims her caregiver's children broke something ? There was one instance when my father thought our caregiver's son broke something. She screamed in his face right in front of a repairman that was in the home. Even the repairman asked my father why he would even allow her in his home after speaking to him like that .
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Tell her you like her children but find it stressful having them around and that if she can't find anyone to look after them while she works, you will need to find someone else.
You are being fair by explaining this to her as it would be worse for her, not to be given that opportunity.
If you are straight with her about needing to find someone else, she is less likely to try to influence you to change your mind. She knows you mean it.
Good luck, be strong!
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Look in the mirror and repeat this..
"I am sorry but you are going to have to find other care for your children. I realize these are difficult times but I can not risk your children getting hurt on my property, or they damaging something here. I also feel that with your children here if something were to happen to one of them while you are tending to "George" your instinct would be to leave him and go to your child leaving him in potential danger. If you can not find other child care I will have to find another caregiver and I do not want to do that I like how caring you are and you have done a good job"

If that is to long try this one.
" If you can not find other child care I will have to look for another caregiver. "
You could add one of the following
"Please do not bring them when you return on Monday"
"I will give you 1 week to find another arrangement"

A caregiver should NOT bring ANYONE with her or him. to bring another person places your family at risk. For COVID, for the extra person to repeat medical information that they have heard (violation of HIPAA) and the potential of letting others know that there is a house that might be a great one to try to break into, the fact that there might be drugs, that at least 1 person is vulnerable and can not fight back.....I could go on but that is enough.
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BurntCaregiver Apr 2021
Grandma1954,

Or the person could make her sign a document protecting her from liability and lawsuits if one of her kids gets hurt.
If the caregiver can keep the situation in hand, then no one should whine too hard about the kids.
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I would not want a caregiver to bring her children to my home. However, I tend to be sympathetic to women with children and the dilemma of either having no childcare or not being able to afford childcare while trying to work and put food on the table and pay the bills. There was a time for me when paying for childcare cost much more than my weekly paycheck. And more recently, I don’t know what my daughter would have done if she didn’t have us to watch her children when the schools and almost everything shut down overnight due to the pandemic.

I’m not saying you owe your caregiver any explanation of why you do not want children in your home - it’s your home! You have every right to ask her to not bring her children. But if you like her, as you say, and she does a good job, and if she has been with you for awhile, you might want to discuss the reason why she needs to bring the children along on occasion. Although it’s really not your problem or your business. It blurs a boundary you might not want to cross. But she might say something like “in a few weeks the kids will be back in school full time.” I would give her a reasonable timeframe to resolve her childcare issue. Someone else mentioned flexible hours and days as well, which could be a temporary solution while she finds childcare.
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Is she a private hire or hired through an agency? If private I would have a conversation immed. that you cannot allow her to bring children with her, no explanation owed, just no. If an agency you need to contact them immed and let them handle it and if it happens again call them and tell them do not send her to your home again. Too much liability and too much disrespect to you and your needs.
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If you want to keep her, can you be flexible if it's only "at times"? She may not be able to get child care for her own children at times. Could you switch times or days when that happens?
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Had this problem too. My previous Home Health gal had to bring her 5 year old grand daughter due to lack of having a babysitter. I initially found having a young child was fun and added a little joy to my life. However, the child had a lot of problems and required nearly constant attention so that my own needs were not being met. The child was also strong as a horse and causing me to fear she would hurt me physically without knowing it.
You can tell the home health agency and that will be the end of it. I know it's not what you may want to do as it may also end your caretaker's job. Sometimes as we grow older we have to learn to put ourselves first however. You shouldn't have to be stressed like this especially with 3 of them like that. Too much! I would let the caregiver know how you feel first and go from there. Hope it works out well.
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Some thoughts. Tell her the nest time she brings the children that this is the last time she can bring them. If she continues to bring them start looking for another caretaker. Give her the warning that this will happen. This is no place for young ones. No more warning for this.
I hope this helps
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I second the legal/insurance liability angle! Less personal, less to argue with. You might hint, ‘especially with the boy since he wanders off’... such that she could consider just placing him with someone vs. having to do so for the both (since you say having the girl there isn’t a big deal - she may be a caregiver in training!).
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You just have to say “I’m sorry but it’s not gonna work out if the kids come.”
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Please come back and tell us how you handled this. We learn from each other.
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No way should the caregiver bring the children along, they are not part of the contract, and our liabilities should an accident happen, and who is the caregiver really paying attention to? You may want a heart to heart talk with that person. If your caregiver is doing a good job tell that person they are but the children are not part of the care giving contract. Also you may want to inform management about what is going on.
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Good caregivers can be hard to find. If there is established rapport and a good record of care for your Loved One, I'd give the caregiver a chance by letting her know she can't bring her kids again. I'd go so far as to make a designated area in my home for the kids... if the problem is really only that they get into things they shouldn't and they're only coming with her once in awhile. Either way, time to discuss it with the caregiver. Jumping straight into firing her without a warning, as advised by some, could leave you without a good caregiver. I don't see that as the answer.
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gdaughter Apr 2021
your response makes me wonder, if childcare assistance is the problem due to low wages as is so often typical, what other child care options are available? Maybe the caregiver qualifies for assistance she is not aware of, or maybe her wages could be increased if this is a private hire situation? so that they would not need to be brought along. And what about school? I know with covid some are not going to school/being home schooled...but there are a lot of questions about this that are not made clear.
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I didn’t read all of the responses so forgive me if you addressed this already.

Did she ask before bringing her children?

Personally, I don’t think she should even consider asking to bring her children to work with her. Nor, should she put you on the spot without asking and just showing up with the children.

She has to realize that children should not be taken to her job.

Tell her not to bring them in the future. She will have to find childcare or you will have to hire another caregiver.

Certainly, Covid has made everything more difficult for mothers to continue on in their work routine.

Long before Covid though, some people have tried to take advantage of others in one way or another.

I never allowed babysitters to have their boyfriend present when they sat with my kids. I find that ridiculous too.
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Just kindly tell her that your home is a workplace and not a place for children. This kind of what I call - creating a bad employee. The first time you overlook an infraction, it becomes ok to do it again.

Be sure to start the conversation with how much you like her and the work she does. If she gets mad, she gets mad. You can't do anything about that. If you have to find a new caregiver, just remember to discuss this at the hiring process.
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She brings the children "at times" - i.e. not all the time, so not because the schools are closed. But quite possibly because whoever is supposed to be minding them while she's at work either hasn't turned up or has gone hunting with his buddies..?

She may also genuinely have the idea, wishful thinking no doubt but not groundless, that seeing kids about the place is *fun* for an elder. Hence if the OP is pleasant to the children, the caregiver may truly believe that the OP doesn't mind. This makes it more difficult to disillusion her, but nevertheless it has to be done.

Being flexible about hours or days may be helpful to the caregiver, and allow the OP to keep a caregiver she knows she likes.
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She should not be bringing her kids to "work" with her. It's one thing to do that occasionally if you work in a office - not always acceptable, depends on the company, but certainly someone providing hands on care to another should NOT be bringing the kids along.

I would tell her that you understand times are difficult with schools locked out, day cares closed, etc, but that for many reasons you find this unacceptable. If she works for someone else, have the discussion with the supervisor instead. You don't need to mention any of the "antics", just state simply that this isn't professional, it is unacceptable to you that she brings her kids along and there are potential liability issues. If she works privately for herself, then you'll have to say the same to her. She either comes to work without the kids or you hire someone else.

It is possible now that she's done this a few times that she considers that your reluctance to say anything as acceptance. I wouldn't let this go on for even one more day. If she shows up with them before you can contact her employer, greet her at the door and say she isn't needed today.

Totally unprofessional. It's tough out there, but this isn't the way she should handle it.
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higgins1934 Apr 2021
I appreciate every one's advice. Everyone feels the same way.
NO KIDS!!!.
Thank you all so much.
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Her kids likely aren't in school, but unfortunately, having not cleared it with you in advance doesn't make it OK.

This is the tough part of being an employer. You have to tell her she cannot bring the children under any circumstances. Don't budge on it either.
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If your caregiver is through an agency, report the behavior and the agency will address this with her.

If your caregiver is a private hire, then you need to sit her down. Explain that you hired her to care for your loved one when she is on duty - and that it does not include bringing her children along. Ask her if this is going to be a problem for her and give her 2 weeks to find reliable care for her children. If she says this is a problem, give her 2 weeks and find a replacement.
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Well, the reason she brings her children is that she probably cannot afford to pay a baby sitter or does not have a family member to keep them while she works. However, you are Employer and she should have asked your permission to bring her children to work, Having said that now is the time to tell her or give her notice of termination.
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Start looking. She has to know this is inappropriate whether you hired her privately or through an agency. If an agency you simply let her know you're sorry but it's unacceptable to you and inappropriate, and if her kids are not left at home or elsewhere (no doubt a sad story to come) you will have no choice but to fire her. And then do it. Being careful to know you won't have a lapse in care.
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Call her on the phone, so that she isn't trying to have the conversation with the children present.

Personally I don't really think it's okay for a caregiver to bring any child to work with her - but two at once? Beyond a joke.

Do you know why she sometimes brings them? Does a sitter sometimes let her down, something like that?

You only have to get one sentence out: "[name], I don't want to hurt your feelings and I do understand that sometimes it's difficult to arrange childcare, but I'm not okay with the children coming with you to work. We need to talk about this."

Oh all right - two sentences :)

You don't need to tell her that 6-7 year olds are noisy little dervishes with sticky fingers and intrusive curiosity; and I certainly wouldn't tell her you like one of her kids but not the other! - all she needs to know is that you, her client, are not happy BUT you are prepared to discuss ways to make it easier for her to leave them behind. Are you willing to be flexible about when she works?
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No children at anytime. Too much disruption and a huge liability.

How can the caregiver focus on your needs with children roaming everywhere?
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gdaughter Apr 2021
Oh yes, Liability. Tell her you checked with your insurance company and how at risk financially you will be god forbid anything happened on your property and you can't take that risk. Buh Bye.
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Assuming the caregiver comes to the door, you meet her there. They don't come in and you say: "Oh, you have your children for today, why don't you take the day off to care for them."

"No, I insist, you go and have a day off".
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disgustedtoo Apr 2021
...without pay...
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Bringing 3 kids without asking? Wow, that's some chutzpah — and incredibly disrespectful and/or clueless. Not a good thing in a caregiver.

Is she a privately hired or through an agency? If she is from an agency, the answer is a hard "no" to bringing kids to the worksite. Call the agency to report it.

Is she being provided through Medicaid and sent from social services? I would report this to them. These are liability issues.

If you hired her directly I would make it diplomatically clear to her that she crossed a boundary but going forward you're willing to permit it if she respects the following rules (and you can create your own rules but DO enforce them ...)

1) she give you notice the night before if they are coming so you can prep.
2) the kids are to limited to being in these rooms _________
3) Her 10-yr old is in charge of minding the other 2 at all times because the mom is being paid to help YOU, not her kids.
4) Any damage they create will be deducted from her pay.
5) The kids are to address you as Miss ______ and treat you with respect.

I don't think this is a lot to ask, and I do understand that the past year has wreaked havoc on people's lives BUT she didn't ask you first! This is unacceptable in my world. All she had to do was call to ask. Not rocket science.
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gdaughter Apr 2021
Yes, to all the above, in addition to your possibly wanting to get a lock on one or more rooms to lock the kids OUT and valuables UP.
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I see Stacy's point. I would ask a few questions. First, where were her children going before and after school before COVID. My grandson was in a latchkey program. The school bus picked him up and dropped him off at his former daycare. When schools reopened this Fall that program continued. I only get my Gson when school is closed for a holiday.

There are government programs for low income parents for Daycare. I feel the 10 yr old is old enough to keep her siblings in check. I babysat my infant brother, for short periods, at 11.

You have a right to set boundries in your home. Sit her down and ask her why she is bringing her children. Ask if there is not a family member or a daycare that can watch them. Then tell her you wish she had asked permission. That you don't feel that she can do her job and keep check on the two younger ones who seem to think its OK to go all over your house. That you don't feel its your responsibility to keep check on them and when asked not to do something, they continue to do it. This is not fair to you.

Not sure what the compromise would be here. Find daycare for the two youngest with the state paying? Then let the 10yr old come. This woman is probably just making ends meet. Do you have a room that can be set up for them? If so, that is where they stay. A TV should keep them entertained. Allow Mom to be bring toys and whatever. I am assuming she supplies their food. If they don't remain in the room, then you will need to start looking for someone else.

This is hard, you need a Caregiver and she needs a job.
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jacobsonbob Apr 2021
If I understood correctly, there are only two children--the OP was simply unsure of the boy's age. However, if the children are permitted to come, there should be an understanding that the boy is NOT allowed to have the run of the house and touch everything!
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